Posts by Marvin Shilmer

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Blood, the US Army, the US Navy and the Watchtower Society

by OrphanCrow in

the watchtower society blood doctrine is intricately linked to clinical trials in blood technology.

the wts deliberately changes and manipulates the blood doctrine in order to fill the requirements for medical testing in the field of blood technology.

it has been happening since the start of the blood ban and has continued for the last 70 years, leaving untold numbers of dead and maimed jws in the wake of the societys quest for everlasting life here on earth.. .

Marvin Shilmer

Is there anyone on this site that has been a member of the HLC and can give more information about the level of consent? Or would they even know?

In developed societies it would be highly unethical and illegal for a medical doctor to administer experimental products to a patient without informing the patient of this fact, including answering any questions the patient might want to ask. Disclosure is essential and required. Neither the Watchtower Society nor any HLC member has ability to disconnect a treating physician from this duty.

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Jehovahs Witness new mother dies after she refuses to be given blood

by Laika in

just spotted this on the tube ride home.

sorry if it's been posted already, didn't see anything.

i've noticed the standard prints a few articles about jw scandals, i wonder if they have an exjw in their midst?.

Marvin Shilmer

Anthony Morris holds accountability along with all appointed authorities within the Watchtower organization scheme because in EACH CASE they utterly REFUSE to openly and publicly engage and answer the many, many questions that challenge the organization's blood taboo.

In a recent public discourse Morris is heard uttering disgust over tight fitting pants, yet when asked to answer openly and publicly very precise questions challenging a supposedly biblical doctrine that has very public and very real consequences, he declines along with all the other hypocritical whiny crybaby cowards that call themselves "The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses". Watchtower appointed minions who support this bunch of cowards are just like them!

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Blood, the US Army, the US Navy and the Watchtower Society

by OrphanCrow in

the watchtower society blood doctrine is intricately linked to clinical trials in blood technology.

the wts deliberately changes and manipulates the blood doctrine in order to fill the requirements for medical testing in the field of blood technology.

it has been happening since the start of the blood ban and has continued for the last 70 years, leaving untold numbers of dead and maimed jws in the wake of the societys quest for everlasting life here on earth.. .

Marvin Shilmer

This discussion from 2008 is not particularly revealing. Participants openly discuss how the JW patient population has been and can be useful in analyzing various novel hematological strategies and products against current treatment options when a current treatment option is not considered optional by that patient population.

The long and short of it is Watchtower has and asserts a doctrinal position with a consequence that a substantial population of JWs refuse particular current treatment options even when it might lead to avoidable mortality or morbidity. Researchers do not create this scenario, and most vehemently reject it as irrational. But on the other hand researchers are willing to exploit this reality in order to learn what they can of novel strategies and/or products the same patient population will accept as an option. By "exploit" I do not suggest researchers unethically expose patients to needless hazard. Rather, researchers see patients that are likely to die if something is not done and they offer an option that though experimental is no more likely to lead to mortality or morbidity than refusing whatever treatment option is being refused.

It just happens to be the case that when it comes to hematological medical strategies and products, military institutions are very interested for obvious reasons. Soldiers in combat are subject to hemoragh and military institutions want to keep solders alive to fight another day, and hopefully go home to famlies when the fighting is over.

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Zone Visit: An Announcement That Will "Test Your Faith"

by breakfast of champions in

this is the scuttlebutt in one of the "bethel congregations" by us.. no details as to exactly what this "faith-testing" announcement might be.. anyone else hear any of this pre-zone visit hype?.

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Marvin Shilmer

The outcome is predictable for evident reason:

watchtowerworldmindset

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What the recent court cases prove about the Governing Body

by JimmyPage in

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friends

for years we have debated on this board about whether or not the governing body are truly wicked or just clueless.

these recent court cases have hammered home their true nature.

they are willfully evil, deliberately and recklessly endangering the lives of tiny innocent children.

Marvin Shilmer

They are willfully evil, deliberately and recklessly endangering the lives of tiny innocent children.

Back in the 50s, 60s and 70s little children in the US suffered terribly cruel persecution refusing to either salute the flag or pledge allegience to the United States. In each case these children were taught they were suffering for righteousness.

No one told these children, or their parents, that top officials at Watchtower were all (ALL!!!) pledging allegiance to the United States.

http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2013/06/children-allegiance-and-watchtower-abuse.html

http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2013/05/jehovahs-witnesses-and-national-oaths.html

http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/03/malawi-savage-betrayal-by-watchtower.html

Evilness has a deep rooted tradition inside the walls of Watchtower world!

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New release book- sister felt "raped" by Doctor Who saved her with blood!! Many blood heros!

by Witness 007 in

the new book "gods kingdom rules!

has taken us back to the 1990's with many pages of blood hero's yes brothers who sued the doctor who saved them...april cadoreth only 14 severe internal bleeding the doc got a court order to give her 3 units of packed red blood cells.

(alot) and saved her life so she can pioneer.

Marvin Shilmer

What is the download link for this book? I can't find one.

EDITED: Never mind. I found it.

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"Jehovah's Witnesses do better after surgery without transfusion" - Article (July 3, 2012)

by Da.Furious in

this article from 2012 published by the birmingham news showed up on my facebook page.. what i would have liked to see in the statistics is the inclusion of total jws refusing blood transfusion and their survival rate not only the ones taht surviced, taking about only survivors is not like for like comparison in my opinion with patients who take blood transfusion and then dont survive.. .

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Marvin Shilmer

I've read the article. It asserts that treatment according to Watchtower policy does not pose an increased risk FOR THE SPECIFIC PATIENT PRESENTATIONS REVIEWED BY THE AUTHORS of this study.

There is such a thing as bleeding to death. Current Watchtower policy would have a JW succumb to death rather than prevent that death by transfusion of blood and products rendered from blood on its forbidden list (red cells, white cells, platelets and certain plasma products such as FFP). This study does not dispute that fact.

See: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2012/03/stark-reality-facing-jehovahs-witnesses.html

And: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2012/02/more-than-50000-dead.html

Preventable death due to Watchtower's blood doctrine is well documented! Very well documented!!!

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Why do people support abusers in the NFL?

by Simon in

i really don't get it.. in most sports in most countries your career is rightly over if you commit certain crimes.. but not in the good old nfl !.

it seems players can rape, beat women, abuse children, fight dogs ... and they will not only be allowed to play but they will have an army of fans wearing their names on their shirts and cheering them on.. the abuse and arrogant attitudes seem to exist at all levels - it seems like there is an endless feed of news stories where some high-school or college football players have abused or raped girls and they end up being allowed back to play and people rallying round as though *they* are the victims.. surely, whatever someone's skills as an athlete are, there are some things that simply can't be excused?.

or is winning truly 'everything' and it doesn't matter the cost?.

Marvin Shilmer

It's a cultural thing. For some folks it's a part of the natural order of things.

If you grew up learning it's proper to discipline beat your kid until their legs are bruised with lash marks then you don't think anything of it when your a sports star is arrested for doing the same thing to his 4-year-old.

If you grew up learning that womanizing is a natural and expected thing for men then when your sports star does the same thing you don't think much of it.

If you grew up learning that husbands or wives slugging their mate as a method of sharing frustration or winning an argument is natural and normal then when your sports star does the same thing you overlook it as normal.

The NFL is populated with individuals from a wide array or cultures. But one culture in particular appears to be dominating the news in this regard, and in each case I see the aformentioned tendencies at work. That culture is not the only one with these issues.

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Blood Timeline - What's Missing?

by Lee Elder in

we have just added a new timeline on the history of the wts blood policy:.

http://ajwrb.org/the-historical-perspective/blood-policy-timeline.

plenty of room to add additional events.

Marvin Shilmer

I think the 2001 Medical Directive document is worthy of attention in the timeline. It was active for official use from May 2001 to December 2001. Then Watchtower had these documents destroyed:

http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/02/what-happened-at-watchtower-in-2001.html

Very few originals remain of this piece of Watchtower history. I have an entire sleeve of them, including the ones for minors.

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Come on! Tell it like it is. People are LYING when they tell you, "I've read the Bible."

by Terry in

go ahead.

tell me.. "i've read the bible cover to cover.

i don't believe you.. it is damned near impossible!.

Marvin Shilmer

I've read the Bible from the tips. I've also read the six volume set Jefferson And His Time, by Dumas Malone, and The Road To Reality, by Roger Penrose. In length Malone's work beats the Bible by a long, long shot. In tediousness Penrose's work again beats the Bible by a long, long shot.

We should not underestimate reading habits of folks we know little if anything about. For sure it's bad form to presume of others.

It's presumption to think a motivated reading of the entire Bible suggests a willingness to accept its message. But then, in my experience what "message" a person takes from reading this work varies from person to person; hence to suggest a particular "message" would be more presumption.